Well, another week of disappointing Arena. We started off with our wonderful SP/SP/Warlock line-up. This is a real weak class line-up, IMO and I'd just rather not play it all. Nonetheless, some very intelligent person who flamed me said we were trying to "exploit" DoT damage. I mean, our warlock doesn't even have UA. Hello? This line-up is there to help Zinn get some points. Period. The problem is that you can't have an all DPS group like this unless they have stacked HP and resilience... which, of course, we don't have. So, we went 0-5 losing to a string of warrior/healer/* teams. The only line-up we can reliably beat with SP/SP/Warlock is another full DPS team. Zinn started feeling guilty and we all started feeling like crap because of how this whole situation is alienating Zinn so we stopped before dropping any more games.
We then brought in Gundy to replace Zinn. Now, this SP/Warlock/Shaman line-up I really like. Our abilities compliment each other very well, IMO. Gundy wasn't able to get on vent because his son was still up, so we had to go with just me and Benign on vent and Gundy wondering what the hell was going on. I guess these are the kinds of problems that real people with lives have to deal with?
Now, remember in my last post about Arena I was complaining about getting matchup where we were severely outgeared? Check this out. Our very first match with Gundy gives us a matchup with this warrior's 3v3 team.
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Zul'jin&n=Rhoz
Uh. Do you even give a fuck, Blizzard? Why is my "starter" 3v3 team being matched up against the #19 3v3 team in the battlegroup. The warrior, himself, is on the #3 2v2 team decked out with Stormherald, etc. Each one of the players on that team has more resilience than my entire team COMBINED. Does Blizzard just expect fresh L70s to walk into the Arena totally decked out or something? WTF. So, at this point I'm seriously contemplating just quitting the game entirely. Everyone is shellshocked, and we lose the game after that to a hunter/hunter/druid team that we should have easily beaten.
0-7.
All, I want to do at this point is break even. Zinn has played 5 matches, so we need to that within 15 matches played. That basically means that we need to win our next seven matches. Our next match is against the hunter/hunter/druid team we had just lost to and this time we wipe the floor with them as we should have in the first place with our class composition. Through fortune, and perhaps more reasonable matchups than usual we manage to win the next six and I call a halt to the whole painful process at 7-7. We are done with 3v3 for the week. Anymore means we have to play some matches for Zinn, and his and our time is much better spent in the BGs right now since as a team we are missing so many of those items.
So, our SP/SP/Warlock line-up is 13W 21L, while our SP/Warlock/Shaman line-up is 19W 10L. Zinn is feeling like he is bringing us down. We feel guilty because of how he is feeling and don't want him to get frustrated to the point where he just quits. Is this shit really worth straining friendships over?
This is exactly why I never did Arena with Oozo. I'm not a mercenary like Ming willing to stab teammates in the back and advertise openly for replacements. I care about loyalty and I care about my friends and I foresaw this kind of thing happening. But, I'm not willing to piss all over my friends just to get a higher arena rating. I simply won't do it.
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Don't give up so easily.
SP/SP/Warlock is a good combination, but you have to play to your strengths.
Warlock needs to become your tank, and have him also be your CC.
Become warrior killers and be ready to mass dispel pally bubbles. Once you get the hang of it, you will be fine.
Really you shouldn't expect to come to the arena and start beating up players from the get go.
We started our 2v2 and 3v3 at a rating of 1436/1450 in the middle of season 1. By the end we were at 1900 something rating.
Same goes for 5on5 where we play with rl friends who aren't that dedicated to PvP. Over tthe course of season one we went from 1400 to about 1600. Now we start the new season at 1600 almost instantly.
Arena PvP is totally different, you simply can't expect it to be anything like the pvp you're used to.
I just think the SP/SP/Warlock thing is incredibly weak because of no efficient healer and also because it's based on the same damage type and if there is a paladin or priest on the other side -- lawl.
Keep in mind the SP/Warlock/Shaman line-up is at 66%. Although, it doesn't have many games under it's belt that is promising considering our gear and some of the retarded matchups we've gotten (top 20 teams).
The thing that grieves me is that in order to capatilize on the chemistry of the SP/Warlock/Shaman team we'd have to basically cut off a friend. :(
Once ure lock gets geared up more, perhaps spec him UA? or ask him nicely to spec UA :) then ure dots can work there magic...cheers for zin!! fighting for casuals everywhere :D
What helped us when "improving" a line-up was considering other specs, like letting our shaman respec to elemental, than back to resto or letting our rogue try a mutilate spec.
Maybe try to:
- let the Warlock spec UA
- one of the priests spec disc (could work well with power infusion)
- one of the priests try a holy damage spec
I believe any setup can work if you show the willingness to adapt. Try to capitalize on your strengths AND your weaknesses.
You're all cloth, therefor you might want to spec the warlock for UA, because he will be regarded as Demonology often enough and will be left alone.
I wouldn't give up that easy man, I rolled a shadow priest for pve back on turalyon when i found out hunters blew in end game tbc, I started off doing arenas in very very bad gear, probably like 7-8k hp self buffed and 0 resilience, my warlock partner for 2s and 3s was in the same boat resilience wise, but had good hp/shadow dmg...out 3v3 was SPriest/Spriest/Warlock.....honestly its really not a bad team, we managed to hover around the 1800-1900 range to start, we got upgrades toward hp from the pvp rewards, but only having 60-70 resilience really didnt make a difference, once me and the other shadow priest were getting like 9k buffed hp we broke 2k....with the Spriest x2, Warlock combo its really about your warlock being ua and locking down their casters with silences and pet counterspell, with 2 spriests and a warlock your burst is HUGE, 1 silence on a healer with coordinated burst is almost a guareenteed death on warriors, druids, hunters....2 mb's, 2 SW:D, and a shadowburn with like 10-12 dots ticking is gg...
another nice strategy with this combo is get a UA on all 3 targets and dot them to shit, you got 3 silences, 3 aoe fears, and a deathcoil to work with cc, coordination is key with this type of team, theres NO WAY a healer will be able to heal through 2 sw:p, 2 vampric touches, UA, Siphon Life, Curse of Agony, and Corruption on 3 different targets when especially when you throw chain aoe fears in the mix and a deathcoil on the healer, if shit hits the fan during this, you got healthstone, pop out heal up and let the dots and the cc do the work
Just play it out man, this team is a very strong combo, Take advantage of 3 silences, 3 aoe fears, deathcoil, x2 Mind Control etc...some things to take advantage of vs warrior teams is your insane burst, and timing chain silences followed by fears or deathcoils works extremely well, mind controlling rogues off their focus with the opposite shadow priest while locking down their healing etc
In general heavy cc and rogue teams have the upperhand vs this combo
Oozo hit me up on aim at tribbey313, would like to talk to you about a couple of things shadow priest wise
Okay, okay... it's not just line-up issues. Zinn is not the, erm.. best PvPer out there. :P
And, he will admit it. He is learning, I'm trying to teach him.
We were in an AB and at the end of the 25+ minute match I noticed that Zinn had no healing done. So, I ask... "Uh, you have no healing are you using vampiric embrace?" He replies, "No, I don't have it bound."
I'm like, "... /bonk"
And, other things like this come up like this often. But, we love him! He is our friend, and FWIW he was VERY good at Everquest! ;)
He didn't know about mass dispel either. Never trained it. :P
Gotta hook your boy up on the basics. I have a friend that's the same way, except that he just quit... Once you get him up to date on what he should be doing it eventually all falls into place. The learning curve really isn't that large with a Spriest. Good luck, man. Keep posting. This blog has been bookmarked for awhile now.
Thanks for the words of encouragement, all. :)
At higher-end gear I'm sure a SP/SP/UA Warlock team can give the cookie-cutters fits. The problem now with those types of gear is that I have 160 resilience, Benign has around 60 resilience, and Zinn has 0 resilience with maybe 8K HP buffed.
All of the warriors we face have at least some gladiator gear and most have at least T1 blacksmith weapon, most have better and they absolutely chew us up because we have no healing.
The game totally changes with resilience. We just can't compete against that without a healer to compensate for our lack of gear.
That's the way I'm seeing it anyhow. Nonetheless all of your advice has been read and is being mulled over. Thanks.
"All of the warriors we face have at least some gladiator gear and most have at least T1 blacksmith weapon, most have better and they absolutely chew us up because we have no healing."
Whoops, just want to clarify here. I'm specifically talking about warrior teams backed by a healer. We can beat any full DPS team and should if you don't totally screw up.
You've come to the conclusion that SP/Lock/Shmn is your best lineup. Why is only 1 of the SP playing in this?
You don't need to so SP/SP/Lock to get Zinn games. Rotate the same class in the more powerful matrix.
And get used to just getting worked sometimes. Get over it. It happens often. When I see or play with people who lose a couple matches (especially when they're just trying to get 10 games in) it makes me think they don't even really want to pvp. You can't expect to win every matchup or to only face fair fights. Get over it and learn what you can from it.
Well, Entrel that is exactly one of the suggestions I made on an internal forum a few days ago. The major problem with it is that Zinn (SP) almost always logs out for the night before Gundy (Shaman) logs in.
As far as the other topic, I think its reasonble to complain when your team with 0 gladiator gear gets matched up against a team with 2 gladiator rated and 1 rival rated opponents who are in the top 20 of 3v3's in the BG and with their warrior in the top 3 of 2v2.
I mean, what am I going to learn from that? Gear makes a difference? I already knew that. :P
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